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PostPosted: September 06 2010, 3:16 AM    Post subject:
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hello my name is mehmet
I am from van, turkey.
my english is not perfect
my doughter elif sena is DS.
I read an article about green tea on:
http://dstoner.net/Math_Science/Downs.html
is there any one use green tea?
thanks.
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PostPosted: September 06 2010, 8:08 AM    Post subject:
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Hello! I have not tried the green tea extract for my son, but wanted to say welcome to downsyn. I read some of the info and it is very interesting. I would have to check with Mark's GI doctor since Mark does have low iron levels and that would probably prevent him from oking this for Mark. I am interested to see if anyone else has tried it.

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PostPosted: September 06 2010, 8:29 AM    Post subject:
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if you get any info from his doctor, please share with me.I am very curious about it.

not:my english is not perfect.
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PostPosted: September 06 2010, 11:32 AM    Post subject:
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We should be seeing him sometime this week so I will ask about the green tea extract. Also, your English is very good!

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PostPosted: September 20 2010, 5:39 AM    Post subject:
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hello momtoseven I want to learn if you ask about the green tea extract to your doctor.
and there is an update in the article.
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PostPosted: September 20 2010, 8:18 AM    Post subject:
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I'll check with my wife about the green tea extract. She is an RN so she may have heard something about it.

And your English is very good. And welcome!

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PostPosted: September 20 2010, 9:47 AM    Post subject:
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thank you very much.I translate the article to turkish and write to turkish DS forums.1 user says that she drink 5-6 cups of green tea and her DS son drinks 1 cup a day.she says that her son can do more thins and his physiotherapist surprised for his condition.

I expect you can understand me.
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PostPosted: September 20 2010, 9:48 AM    Post subject:
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Tom wrote:
I'll check with my wife about the green tea extract. She is an RN so she may have heard something about it.


I am sorry I don'd understand.what is RN?
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PostPosted: September 20 2010, 10:06 AM    Post subject:
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Registered Nurse. Means someone has at least a Master's Degree in Nursing. They do the majority of actual care for patients.
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I understand.thanks
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PostPosted: September 29 2010, 4:30 AM    Post subject:
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hello. some peaple in turkey tried green tea and had positive results.one says that the difference is significant.is there any one try?
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We use EGCG (Green Tea Extract), and saw, but we also use a lot of things with our Etel wince age 7 months. It's hard to know which were most helpful, though we did see a biiiig boost with Ginkgo right away, and Curcumin too, and later, with Green Tea. She just turned three and is doing really well. She speaks lots and lots of words, 2 and 3 word sentences, and sings songs with us, etc.

We like the Elite Green Tea Extract at Iherb.com. There's another brand, a phytosomal product at Iherb by NOW I heard on the DSTNI forum.

Other forums which are extremely informative, that talk about TNI components in detail are

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSTNI
there is a doctor on that board very knowledgeable about DS genetics

einstein-syndrome.com/join known as the Einstein Syndrome listserv (for moms of kids with DS)

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DownSyndromeInfoExchange/ another great group.

good luck!
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PostPosted: February 04 2012, 9:59 AM    Post subject:
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I'm ripping these studies off the DSTNi list

Green Tea Extract/EGCG is a GABA antagonist and blocks the same GABA
receptor (recombinant alpha1beta2gamma2L GABA(A) receptor) as
Bilobalide. It also normalizes impaired long term potentiation to normal
values in Ts65Dn Down Syndrome mouse model:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17943438
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12600688
http://sydney.edu.au/medicine/pharmacology/adrien-albert/images/pdfs/RefsPDFs/36\
7.pdf

EGCG is also a DYRK1A inhibitor which is good news for our kids.

Green Tea Extract doesn't only have the ability to block DYRK1a, it also works
for Alzheimer prevention!! (which you probably know our kids are bigtime risk for). And it works better when taken together with fishoil


http://www.amazing-green-tea.com/green-tea-and-alzheimers-disease-egcg-turn-plague-harmless.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091203091856.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20096749
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PostPosted: February 15 2012, 9:53 PM    Post subject:
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I wanted to include more about the Why of GABA inhibition.

I cut n paste from the great Einstein- Syndrome blog here

"Teresa Cody, a parent and dedicated researcher, explains it this way:

You may not realize it but this discovery has turned the Down syndrome world upside down. All efforts to date have been aimed at increasing the excitatory transmission. In Down syndrome the brain activity is low, and the person is mentally challenged; the obvious answer is to increase the excitatory activity. But, the work at Stanford says it [is] the other side of the system that needs to be addressed reduce the inhibitory activity.

The researchers at Stanford have demonstrated that an excess of inhibitory signals is the problem. In other words, there are too many red lights in the system and making the green lights greener doesn’t help, we have to turn off some of the red lights.

[Miriam writing again] So, based on what was learned with this DS mouse, the hypothesis is that in DS there is too much inhibition—too many red lights. While the medical researchers design their studies and investigate a drug therapy to turn down those ornery red lights (the technical term is to find a “GABA antagonist”) our children need a solution now, or they will fall farther and farther behind.

That solution is Ginkgo Biloba. This oriental herb has been used in Chinese medicine for 5000 years to improve mental function. Ginkgo works as a GABA antagonist. Ginkgo turns down the red lights that inhibit the firing of neurons. No, this isn’t a drug. No, there haven’t been exhaustive studies to prove this. No, your doctor doesn’t have this as advice on his “standard of care” sheet for your baby. The major DS organizations have even released a joint statement saying, “BUT THIS ISN’T PROVEN!!!”

Right. It isn’t. The medical research establishment has a job to do. Studies have to be done. Many more mouse studies must be done to conclusively prove that in the DS mouse, Ginkgo Biloba results in learning. Following that are cautious human studies. They have to dot every i and cross every T. They must be cautious before they ever recommend any treatment for babies in this medically “at risk” population.

Finally, after the studies, and human trials, and grants, and fellowships, this body of information might percolate out to the major clinical treatment centers, and eventually to the family doctors…hourglass

…in twenty or thirty years.

You, the parent of a baby with Down syndrome, have a choice. You can do what scores of DS parents are doing, and conduct your own personal trial with this ancient herb.

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there are links to the supporting studies, and who should not take ginkgo, here
http://einstein-syndrome.com/2009/04/21/14-start-ginkgo-biloba-now/

You should definitely get a standardized form of Ginkgo

Richard from the DSTNI Yahoo group (highly recommend it http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSTNI/, along with the Einstein Syndrome list here http://einstein-syndrome.com/join - well, he explains it this way.

All Ginkgo products must state following on the package labels:

"24% Ginkgo flavone glycosides and 6% terpene lactones"
or
"Ginkgo special extract EGb 761"

These two statements show that the product you are using is standardized. Use only standardized products, as their level of Ginkgolic Acid is reduced to under 5 ppm (parts per million). Non standardized products can cause serious allergic skin reactions due to higher amounts of Ginkgolic Acid content.

Standardized products also guarantee a fixed amount of terpene lactones, including Bilobalide, which is the active component in the therapy for Down Syndrome. If you are using a product that doesn't state one of the two above mentioned things, contact the manufacturer or discard it right away.

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Dr. Leichtman the TNI advocate and geneticist who has treated thousands of kids/adults now, with DS over the past, say, 30 years, recommends starting no earlier than age 3 due to the slight risk of seizures in kids prone to seizures, like absence seizures especially which may be undiagnosed.

We began at 13 months and watched her carefully.

We use Honeycombs Organic liquid, it's yummy, give it straight. We have contacted the manufacturer and EACH DROP of honeycombs has 3.3 mg of active GB. Do not go by the label. The Dose is 5.5 mg per kilogram body weight, given either once, twice or three times a day. We have always used it one time, in the morning. There are a few parents who say it causes constipation by affecting the serotonin in the gut; we have not had any issues with constipation.

for kids who can take pills, GinkGold is another brand Dr. L endorses.
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